Saturday, March 31, 2012

Walk to the Cross (Easter Prep), pt.2: External/Internal Evidence

Back in February I posted part one of a lecture series on the Gospels by Tim McGrew entitled "Who Wrote the Gospels?"  Then, mid-March I posted Professor McGrew's answer to my question, "Did Christians 'reinterpret' Old Testament passages to be prophecies fulfilled in Jesus, or did Jews always interpret those passages to be messianic?"  That was part one of this "Walk to the Cross" series in preparation for Easter.

For part two, here is the rest of Dr. McGrew's series on the Gospels:



You can find links for the PowerPoint slides and handout at Brian Auten's site, here:

Dr. McGrew writes via email, "Needless to say, we're just scratching the surface of the evidence here. But sometimes it is better to make a start than to do nothing at all."

So in the coming week that remains before we remember the resurrection, I hope you will make time to brew a pot of choice coffee, sit down under an old quilt and drink in this lecture series, and sift through the historical evidence of fulfilled messianic prophecies.

It will greatly enrich our celebration of Easter if we know that we are celebrating the REALITY of God's demonstration in time and space that he loves (and forgives) us no matter what--even his own willing death.  No greater love has any man than that.

Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Groothuis' "Christian Apologetics" ch.4: The Christian Worldview

"Thus from a Christian perspective, we perennially face the dual temptation either to demote ourselves below what we truly are (despair) or to promote ourselves above our true status (hubris).  All in all, humans are unique among the living." p. 86 (Groothuis' Christian Apologetics)

"The Christian view of humanity exalts neither the immaterial at the expense of the material (as in idealism, pantheism, gnosticism) nor the material at the expense of the immaterial (as in physicalism)." p. 86-87

"...redemption must originate from beyond the royal ruins of the self..." p. 88

(discussion index)

Saturday, March 24, 2012

True Reason apologists not welcome at Reason Rally of atheists

Tom Gilson's morning view of rally
The Reason Rally of atheists and skeptics is gathering today upon the National Mall in Washington, D.C. to celebrate a common lack of belief in any particular faith and to demarginalize as a collective voice. But today is not so much about good reasoning as it is about:

...drawing attention to our movement. This is about getting media attention. This is about getting all those people not attending the rally (or who don’t even know there are so many other atheists out there) to notice us... --FriendlyAtheist

Invitations to reasoned debate and dialogue from Christian apologists of the True Reason collaboration have been abruptly declined, whereas an invitation to the rally was graciously extended to Fred Phelp's infamous Westboro Baptist Church, attracting objections from bloggers of the Christian Apologetics Alliance and Ratio Christi. It seems Reason Rally organizers so highly esteem publicity that they will invite it even when it runs completely counter to reason.

Peer review is completely lacking in refusing to encourage dialogue with those critical of the atheist worldview and trained in reasoned debate. Rather, the rally organizers create an atmosphere of mutual ridicule, inviting Westboro Baptist.

Edited by Tom Gilson and Carson Weitnauer, the book side of the True Reason response includes contributions from William Lane Craig and Sean McDowell and discusses the "Explanatory Emptiness of Naturalism", how evolution and God's existence do not conflict, "Historical Evidences of the Gospels", the problem of evil, slavery, "Did God Command the Genocide of the Canaanites?" and how the New Atheist movement's persuasive techniques rely more on rhetoric and appeal to emotion than reason.

Thursday, March 22, 2012

David Silverman of American Atheists: Reason Rally not about dialogue

Reposting from In Defense of the Christian Faith:

With the secular
Reason Rally only a few days away, I am featuring a guest post today from Tom Gilson titled, "
REASON RALLY ORGANIZER TO REASONING CHRISTIANS: WE WANT NO DIALOGUE." Tom is a leader in the True Reason initiative to take Christian apologists down to the Reason Rally for respectful dialogue should anyone there be interested. I have received a few comments from atheists expressing their concern that the True Reason initiative is nothing more than an attempt to disturb -- or proselytize, as it is stated in the article below -- atheists. This is not true, and I encourage anyone wondering about that, to read the article below, to peruse the True Reason website where the mission is clearly stated, and to take a look at Tom's site at Thinking Christian for more.

Sunday, March 18, 2012

Westboro invited to Reason Rally, Ratio Christi invited to email

I reported Thursday the invitations of Westboro Baptist Church and Ratio Christi to upcoming atheist Reason Rally in Washington, D.C. by the National Atheist Party.  I need to correct that report after hearing back from Ratio Christi's Director of Administration, Blake Anderson, who informs us that Lee Moore's invitation was only
...a very short friendly invitation to dialog noting that he had read a blog by me on the WBC invitation issue. He offered to address any concerns we might have about the NAP. There was no invitation to the event.

We responded that we are open to dialog and remain interested in an explanation as to how the NAP and The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Religion believes that inviting WBC enhances the credibility of the event.

Lee Moore returned our email last night and he simply referred to his article here as the official statement why he authorized the WBC invite. He then asked if we wanted to know anything further. Very short response.
Regarding this quote from Moore:
"Just today I sent an email to one of the anti Reason Rally spin groups Ratio Christi inviting them to an open dialogue with us. WBC is not the only group we wanted to open lines of communication with. They were just the most well known one."
...Anderson remarks "He did not call us a 'spin group' in that email."

At this time, Westboro is the only "Christian" group invited to the Reason Rally. Ratio Christi members have collaborated with other apologists to publish a response to the Reason Rally in the form of an e-book entitled True Reason. There is no known response from the Reason Rally.

  • Reasons for faith 101: Is faith blind?


  • Reasons for faith 101: Do faith and science conflict?


  • Reasons for faith 101: Does natural evolution conflict with a creator God?


  • Reason Rally vs. True Reason (includes relevant links from various apologetics blogs)
  • Tuesday, March 13, 2012

    Reason Rally vs. True Reason

    As I write this I am downloading the e-book, True Reason, which is part of a response from the Christian Apologetics Alliance to the Reason Rally coming up March 24 at the National Mall in Washington, D.C.  Besides the book, the Christian response includes actually attending the rally.  Click on all the links in this paragraph for more info., and check out the links below from CAA members:

    Apologetics Guy:  The Reason Rally and Reasonable Faith in an Uncertain World

    Deeper Waters:  Reason Rally: True Reason


    Faithful Thinkers:  True Reason: Christian Responses to the Challenge of Atheism and Are Atheists Redefining "Reason"?

    In Defense of the Christian Faith:  Reason Rally and True Reason: Ebook Review

    Josiah Concept Ministries:  Christians Respond to the Extreme Claims of the Reason Rally

    The Real Issue:  Reason Rally Supporter Not Very 'Reasonable' Inviting Christian Fringe Group

    Reasons for God:  The Reason Rally and the Westboro Invitation

    Thinking Christian:  The Reason Rally’s Brilliant Strategic Maneuver

    The Two Books Approach:  Reason Rally: the "True Reason" response in a new ebook

    Songs of a Semi-Free Man:  Reason Rally


    Christian Apologetics UK:  True Reason: Christian Responses to the Challenge of Atheism

    Ichthus77:  Westboro invited to Reason Rally, Ratio Christi invited to email and David Silverman of American Atheists:  Reason Rally not about dialogue


    Apologetics315: Featured Book—True Reason: Christian Responses to the Challenge of Atheism

    Ratio Christi @ OSU: New EBook: Christians Respond to the Extreme Claims of the Reason Rally

    Walk to the Cross (Easter prep): Jesus in the Old Testament

    I asked Professor Tim McGrew for evidence that Christians didn't "reinterpret" Old Testament passages to be prophecies fulfilled in Jesus.  As Easter approaches, it's time to share his reply.  Material referred to is Maas (and here), Edersheim, and Miller ("NWNTI, JTM, BPM, DSST, SS, TM, LTJM, CTM. The citations from the Apocrypha are from CASA or HCSB, the Jewish Pseudepigrapha are from OTP, Dead Sea Scrolls from DSSTQTE et. al., rabbinix from various. The citations of scholarly opinion I have taken MAINLY from authorities that would NOT be considered 'conservative' or 'evangelical'").

    Also, below Professor McGrew's reply is a very cool page shared with sermon group by my pastor on Jesus in all the Old Testament books.

    Professor McGrew's reply:

    The most useful one-stop reference list here is Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, 8th ed., vol. 2 (London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1912), Appendix IX, “List of Old Testament Passages Messianically Applied in Ancient Rabbinic Writings,” pp. 710 ff. Edersheim notes that his list is not complete, but it is fully adequate for the purpose of documenting Jewish messianic use of most of the texts in question.

    I am also including links to the work of the Jesuit scholar Anthony John Maas, Christ in Type and Prophecy, vol. 1 and vol. 2 (New York: Benziger Brothers, 1895). I think you’ll agree with me that Mass’s research is simply superb.


    The hand of God vs chance

    You know the charge that the ancients naively interpreted all acts of nature to be by the hand of God? I just read 1 Samuel 6:9b:

    "But if not, then we will know that it was not His hand that struck us; it happened to us by chance."

    They were giving God the opportunity to show them it was he who did it, as opposed to it happening by chance. That isn't to say they thought that the possibility of things happening by chance threatened his sovereignty. Something to keep in mind when considering that aspect of free will (not about chance directly) and evolution (exactly the sort of chance meant in this passage).

    If you want to follow along with me in my daily bible reading, I follow the plan at http://www.biblenarrativeproject.blogspot.com :)

    Have a beautiful day :)


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    Saturday, March 10, 2012

    Groothuis' "Christian Apologetics" ch.3: Apologetics Method: Evaluating Worldviews

    "...there is nothing impious in using arguments with unbelievers that employ their God-given reasoning abilities.  Good reasoning is not 'autonomous' or 'apostate,' but rather a God-given way to discover truth." p. 63 (Groothuis' Christian Apologetics)

    "Simply put, if a worldview fails to explain what it promises to explain, fails to make sense on its own terms (internal consistency), fails to describe what is there (objective and inner reality), fails to give intelligible meaning to life, or fails to be intellectually and culturally productive, it is disqualified from consideration.  I will argue that Christianity passes these tests better than any of its competitors." p. 72

    See also my updated Different Methods in Apologetics.

    (discussion index)

    Different methods in apologetics

    http://noblindfaith.com
    [ updated after re-reading chapter 3 of Douglas Groothuis' Christian Apologetics ]

    Apologetics, rather than being the study of really great ways to apologize, is the rational defense of the Christian faith, and there are five main methods of doing apologetics: Classical, Historical, Presuppositional, Reformed and Cumulative Case. I am just barely becoming familiar with these methods, so this post is subject to updates.  By the way, thankyou so much to Eric Chabot for most of the links below.

    A review of four of them is here. A book on all five is here


    Classical Apologetics:
    Classical apologetics starts with natural theology in an attempt to provide good reasons outside the Bible to believe God exists before expecting someone to even consider possible the miraculous bodily resurrection of Jesus (as recorded in the Bible).  It is thought that until one believes in God, one has no reason to believe miracles are



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